Trekking the Three Summits of Audiobook Creation (Author Guest Post)


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Writers and audiobook producers Susan Rogers and John Roosen team up with audiobook reviewer and judge Ellen Quint to describe the three towering peaks to scale in producing audiobooks.

Summit One: Write Compelling Stories

Almost four years ago we, Susan Rogers and John Roosen, knew little about producing a quality audiobook — one that could keep a listener awake all night, eager for more.
It’s almost impossible to define what drove us to start this new and complex project. We’re passionate — read that as addicted — to writing.

Our children and friends complain that we don’t answer the phone or respond to emails. “Time choices,” we tell them. Our real obsession is telling a good story … but it must be wrapped in the finest art of storytelling. Creating an audiobook and producing it? Well, that’s an entirely different story.

Write Without Murdering Each Other

We walk a fine line in writing our murder mystery series
while avoiding murdering each other.

We are two completely different personalities. We met in Officers Candidate School in the US military. Our last names start with ‘R-O’…, so we stood beside each other. Destiny — ‘At Attention’.

On most topics, we see things differently, and our ways of expression are a stark contrast. We walk a fine line in writing our murder mystery series while avoiding murdering each other.
Our books must sound like they were written by one person. At the same time, the audiobook must showcase the multitude of characters we create for each story. We thrive on impossible missions.

Stories Based in Reality

People are fascinated by the human skull we once found on one of our work sites.
Across our wide-ranging occupations and projects, we’ve unearthed buried human remains, as well as drug labs. We’ve sunk entire ships and flown on separate C-130 aircraft to Alaska (Susan) and Antarctica (John). And together crossed the empty desert quarters in the Middle East.

Susan ran extensive weapons training programs and boarded ships in stormy seas, wrenching a Presidential yacht from its watery grave, and once arrested John in a sting operation.

John is a biologist turned hazardous materials expert with superhuman skills. He’s dismantled drug labs, responded to chemical plant explosions, and chased pirates in the South Pacific.

Susan and John writing as the tide comes in

Our backgrounds are packed with adrenaline, danger, and real-world experiences. We aim for stories that are thrilling and authentic. The fictional stories in our series are heavily laced with reality.

Summit Two

A Do-It-Yourself Audiobook?

Laughing at our many bloopers, we knocked
over one of the cabinets in the closet.
“This isn’t working,” John concluded.
“Let’s hire a narrator,” Susan replied.

You know all those experts who say, “Doing It Yourself’ is soooo easy”? We now wonder if that’s AI speaking. We did try to create an audiobook ourselves. There’s a stash of articles, videos, podcasts, and influencers, all trying to influence authors and publishers.
We plunged into the muddy sea of audiobook information and bought equipment from a local electronics store.

“Ever done this before?” the salesperson with the crew cut asked.
“No, we haven’t,” we enthusiastically replied.
“It’s non-refundable,” he reminded us.

We transformed our closet into a sound stage, hoping our clothes would absorb the noise, and hung a wool blanket to dampen echoes.
Sitting in our bedroom closet, our sound equipment perched on John’s sports socks with the mike dangling from a wooden hanger, we could still hear the street traffic. Extra blankets were borrowed from a neighbor, who asked: “What are you doing with all those blankets?”
Duct tape sealed the door jam. The door chimes were disabled.

A thousand dogs seemed to have recently moved into the neighborhood. It became a never-ending mission of negotiating their silence with dog treats.
With extra camping mattresses and five sleeping bags over the windows, our soundstage was ready. It felt like we were in a small igloo in Antarctica.
We listened to the playback. John’s voice was scratchy. Susan sounded like a sultry 1930’s movie star with a heavy-breath delivery. (We considered other possible uses for her voice.)

Laughing at our many bloopers, we knocked over one of the cabinets in the closet.
“This isn’t working,” John concluded.
“Let’s hire a narrator,” Susan replied.

The World of Narration

To try to get some sleep, our psychologist neighbor advised us:
“Put pillows over your heads and hope that the voices go away.”

Narrators are also called: readers, voice performers, voice actors, golden voices,
storytellers … and relators.

Our real estate agent was the first to give us a sample of his voice-performing talents. He wanted to change careers and avoid the ups and downs of real estate.
We finally admitted to him, “Stick to real estate — you’re a great agent, and the market is clearly picking up.”

Daily, we subjected ourselves to twenty digital voice demos from all corners of the planet. We were hearing voices all the time, even when we weren’t listening.
To try to get some sleep, our psychologist neighbor advised us: “Put pillows over your heads and hope that the voices go away.”

AI Enters the Marketplace

When Artificial Intelligence started making a bigger splash, we listened to gigabytes of AI-generated voices. AI could mimic humans, but it lacked the warmth and human expression that real narrators infuse in their performances.
It was like our car saying “Good Morning” when we start it up, and about as engaging. The worst part is AI doesn’t know how to deliver a line the way we envisioned it.

“It’s doing, but not feeling,” John said.
“Duh,” Susan replied. “It’s not feeling anything and never will.”

Many Characters – Many Voices

The truth is, each of our stories has a smorgasbord of characters —from every age, every demographic, and every personality.
The challenge is to make each character seem authentic and multi-faceted, including those with quirky traits, so the listeners can easily visualize them. It’s a partnership first between us and our readers, and then our audiobook listeners.

Our stories also include killers, psychopaths, sociopaths, and even a serial killer or two. In the plotlines, there are romantic scenes, seconds sprinkled with gripping tension, suspense, and thrilling moments that we squeeze onto any given page.

We wondered how any narrator would act this all out. Little did we know that our fate, kismet, or karma had already zeroed in on Rupert Degas. Rupert is an actor and award-winning international voice actor with an uncanny ability to create, craft, and deliver an infinite range of voices. He was a phone call away.

The Voice

We were living in Sydney, Australia at the time. The last day of our narrator search began with an ominous thunderstorm, and the power was sporadic. It was the perfect backdrop for trying to connect with the last handful of potential narrators who could bring our books to life.
When the internet failed during the storm, John leaned out the window, holding the Wi-Fi device as the older power strip flickered.

“When we sat together to listen to our first
audiobook, Dead Man’s Pose … it was
magic …”

“Don’t worry, Susan. I’m heavily insured, and there’s always that military burial,” he joked.

Rupert Degas picked up on that last call. This extraordinary voice performer only works with you if he ‘likes your stuff’. We sent him a copy of the first book, and he stayed up all night — read the entire thing — and loved it.

Rupert asked for our “Christmas List of Voices”. We gave him a detailed biography for each character. We knew these characters well. John claimed that Ric, one of our main protagonists, was using his straight razor and leaving it foaming on the bathroom sink!

In our list, we also suggested the quirky qualities that best exemplified each character. Rupert was nonplussed by our details. The elasticity of his vocal range is characterized as “akin to that of Jim Carrey’s face”. Read that as: a very wide range of vocal talent. “Just make the list,” he encouraged the newly minted audiobook producers.

When we sat together to listen to our first audiobook, Dead Man’s Pose … it was
magic: “The Voice — At First Listen.”

Rupert has now tackled Cobra Pose, Tree Pose, and recently Warrior Pose, having
performed over 44 characters per story. And he has his favorites. “Don’t kill the Serial Killer off,’ he asked, and we agreed … at least for Book 4.
We had navigated the second peak of our audiobook adventure.

Summit Three

Enter the Listener and Reviewer

“The perfect recipe begins with one essential
ingredient: strong writing. Everything begins
with the written word …”

– Ellen Quint

The listener and reviewer form the third pinnacle that must be scaled to bring the
audiobook to a broader audience. Ellen Quint brings a deep love of audiobooks and a wide span of knowledge of the many genres and presentation skillsets. She is an audiobook reviewer, mystery
writer, and an Audies judge. The Audies are the ‘Oscars’ of the audiobook world.

The annual award is sponsored by the Audio Publishers Association.

Ellen provides sage advice to audiobook producers. “In my roles as reviewer and judge, I will listen to part or all of over one hundred audiobooks a year. This has given me tinnitus and a very discerning ear
for what makes for a truly successful audiobook. The perfect recipe begins with one essential ingredient: strong writing. Everything begins with the written word. A skilled narrator can elevate a mediocre book, but even the most talented performance can’t transform poor writing into a worthwhile listen.”

“The next crucial ingredient is matching the right narrator — or narrators — to the characters, genre, and setting, while still providing voices that are easy on the ears. For example, a story set in Brooklyn with a street-smart, Brooklyn-born protagonist might suggest a thick, authentic accent. But listeners may not want that in their ears for eleven straight hours. (As a lifetime Brooklynite, I have earned the right to say this.) A talented narrator can convey the character without leaning heavily on the accent.”

“A masterful narrator can differentiate male and female characters, shift convincingly between ages and backgrounds, and portray characters from different countries with nuance and consistency.
It’s no wonder that Susan and John spent hours and hours reviewing potential narrators before finding their perfect match for the Yoga Mat Mysteries in Rupert Degas.”

“There’s also the important decision of how many narrators the story needs to come alive for the listener. Options include a single narrator; dual narration (two narrators alternating chapters, usually reflecting different points of view); duet narration (two narrators performing assigned characters throughout and
interacting in dialogue); multi-narrator productions; or a full cast, which creates a true ‘movie in your ears.'”

“Finally — and certainly not the least important ingredient — is the production quality. Listeners deserve flawless audio with no distracting background noise, thoughtful and well-placed sound effects, and music that enhances rather than disrupts the narrative.”

“While there is much controversy about AI’s role in creating artificial voice narration, there is no question that technology has truly advanced the art of recording to include soundscapes that create an amazing, immersive experience.”

Ellen’s many years of experience give her a distinct edge as a trekking guide for the mountainous pathway of audiobooks.

Great Creations Take Time

Audiobook creation is less a finish line than a continuous unfolding — a miraculous power of story, voice, pacing, and perception. It transmutes something common, a digital recording, into something precious.
The creation requires the slow savour of a sentence until every breath, every pause, and every shimmer of tone reveals the story’s true shape.

Collaboration thus becomes a living instrument. Writers, narrators, editors, listeners, reviewers, and judges are all tuning together until the storyline within the audiobook sings out loud. The time spent listening is not measured in minutes, but with the truth of feeling and the glow of authenticity. At its best, the listener wants to spend time with these characters and will follow the tale wherever it leads.
And when a final chapter reveals the last jigsaw puzzle piece, there is a fulfillment that the story has become Real, and the creation has earned its resonance. As writers and audiobook producers, we then feel we’ve built something lasting, which is enjoyed by listening — one moment at a time.

– Susan Rogers & John Roosen & Ellen Quint


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Interview with Susan Rogers and John Roosen: Authors of The Yoga Mat Mysteries Series

When it comes to crafting a compelling mystery, the characters often take center stage. In the Yoga Mat Mystery series, authors Susan Rogers and John Roosen prioritize their characters’ development, believing that a well-rounded character can drive the story forward in ways a plot alone cannot.

In this interview, they share insights into how they breathe life into their characters, ensuring that readers feel a deep connection to each one and how this approach has shaped the intriguing tales woven throughout their series. From the quirky personalities that feel like your next-door neighbors to the complex protagonists who must confront their own flaws, these authors reveal the magic behind creating characters that resonate long after the final page.


Q: You’ve mentioned on your website that your characters are more important than the plot. How do you ensure that the character development in your novels resonates with readers, and can you share some examples of how this approach has shaped your stories?

A: Great mystery stories are the perfect blend of interesting characters and a riveting plot that holds one’s attention until the eye-opening ending.

You can have a fabulous plot, but if the characters don’t resonate with the reader or listener, the story deflates like a punctured balloon. Readers or listeners must feel connected to one or more of the characters to keep going. After all, it is an investment of their irreplaceable time.

All our characters (40+ in the audiobooks) resemble real people (flaws and all). Capturing the quirky details makes a character stand out.

We love it when someone says: “I thought these people were real.”
We reply, “Aren’t they?”

Elaina Williams and Ric Peters appear in each of the works we write. In addition to the multiple mystery plots that we weave together, one of these two characters must overcome a specific flaw for that story. Following Aristotle’s classic tradition, this compelling structure underlies many of the timeless movies, plays, and stories.

Sub-characters within the plot help drive the story forward. Whether it’s Jack MacMasters and his laid-back wisdom, Professor Scott with his TackiNotes, Spin Bowler (an ethical hacker) who rides a skateboard, or Alfred Hastings a homeless street performer who looks like Falstaff—we delight in creating people that could live next-door.

“We love it when someone says: ‘I thought these people were real.’
We reply, ‘Aren’t they?'”

But wait for it … most of our characters ARE based on real people. Friends, enemies, neighbours and ‘rellies’ could appear in any plotline we create. The bus driver on our next bus ride, or the barista in a local café are characters waiting to be discovered.

Q: The series juxtaposes the serenity of a yoga studio with the chaos of the outside world. How did this unique setting influence the themes and tone of the books, and what challenges or opportunities did it present in crafting the mysteries?

A. Let’s be honest: We’ve had extraordinary experiences so far. We participated in sting operations and busted up illegal drug labs. Susan‘s served as a small arms trainer, and John blew up hazardous materials to render them harmless. Our working lives have been forged in chaos, so we’ve used various methods to create tranquility.

Moving from Dubai, UAE was another change-up. We came from the sands of the Middle East to the bustling sidewalks of Sydney.

Moving in, we inadvertently found a Yoga Studio close by. Imagine our surprise when we entered the calm and relaxed atmosphere, with highly polished wood floors reflecting the waning sunlight. The pulsating, 24-7 intensity of the city seemed to fade away at the door.

We began crafting our Yoga Mat Mystery series shortly thereafter. We liked the contrast that yoga brings to the story in both mind and body. And we use yoga throughout each book.

“And what if we get stuck writing? We roll out the yoga mats and work through some sessions. For many centuries, yoga has been used to tap into creativity. Why not use it in The Now?”

In Dead Man’s Pose, a man dies on his yoga mat in Chapter 1. The mystery surrounding his death becomes the bond between Ric and Elaina to find out why. In Cobra Pose, a false front yoga studio becomes a key element of the storyline. Elaina also uses a balancing move in a pivotal moment to save Ric.

In Tree Pose, Elaina and Ric, along with some friends, head to Tasmania. As a separate state below the mainland of Australia, Tasmania has a deep and dark past. Perfect for mystery writers! And the reader/listener gets to travel around ‘Tassie’ due to the yoga conference being held there.

While our stories weave in baskets full of suspenseful and perilous events, we purposely use the yoga theme to juxtapose these events. It includes the serenity inside a studio for channeling a pose or concentrated mind control to get through a specific moment.

And what if we get stuck writing? We roll out the yoga mats and work through some sessions. For many centuries, yoga has been used to tap into creativity. Why not use it in The Now?


Q: The protagonist and main characters, Elaina and Ric, have intriguing backstories as a former solicitor and a mysterious photojournalist. How do past experiences shape their roles in the series, and what makes them compelling leads for your readers?

A. Do we have to come clean here???? We are two writers working together compiling each of the stories. Our personalities are uniquely different. We have squeezed the essence of each of our personalities into the ‘juice’ that becomes Elaina and Ric.

In a like manner Ric’s life in the shadows becomes clearer as the series progresses. His life collides with the straightforward Elaina, whose sheltered existence has never experienced a life of false identities, dangerous operations, and trying to stay alive to complete a mission. It is this conflict that helps drive the storyline.

But it is their growing romance that provides the undertow of action moving each story forward.

In one instance, we wanted to ramp up the romantic inclinations of Ric and Elaina within Tree Pose, the third book in our series. Imagine us sitting together under a cabana on Tahunanui Beach, Nelson, New Zealand.

The beach is shallow with very slow-moving tidal action.

At the crucial moment in Tree Pose, there is a complex scene between Ric and Elaina that required our focused concentration. It creates a tension that will reoccur in future books. The world around us faded as we worked, and we didn’t notice the tide coming in.

When we finally looked up, we saw a group of people taking pictures of us knee-deep in the water. The Tour Guide leader pointed to us, saying loudly:

“And this is an example that time and tide waits for no one … including these writers!”

And how did we meld our characters past experiences to shape their roles in this crucial scene? Most often, we use a cocktail shaker with our joint ideas floating around.

This time, we shook the two spirited moments together and poured out the action, including all that delicious romantic fizz!

Q: Both of you have extensive backgrounds in diverse fields, from naval operations to environmental emergencies. How have your personal experiences influenced the themes and characters in your books, and can you share any specific instances where your past work informed your writing?

“If the world is a stage, our characters are always ‘at the ready’ to act on it.”

A: We’ve had a long history of working on projects together. Now finding new ways to work together is critical in our passion for writing.

As an example, when we served as designated law enforcement officers, we crafted a sting operation for life-threatening, illegal boat operations. John took on the role of a “potential partner” to gather evidence of the boat skipper’s wrongdoing.

The high-speed chase of the motorboat through San Francisco Bay was not unlike the chase we recreated in Dead Man’s Pose in the Sydney Harbour. Both waters were filled with sharks that periodically made an appearance looking for a pre-dinner snack. Swimming was not an attractive option.

Susan and the patrol boat finally came alongside the vessel forcing the skipper to heave to. Susan was particularly glad to clap a set of handcuffs on John’s wrist and get him off the motorboat.

Susan still has the handcuffs, just in case they’re needed.

In a similar manner, Ric and Elaina might play-act to solve a mystery, hide their purpose, save a life, or get more information. They aren’t above using improv activities, wearing a different uniform, or slipping between a barrier or into another role. If the world is a stage, our characters are always ‘at the ready’ to act on it.

Q: Given your experience in various international locations, how do you incorporate real-world geography and history into your novels to enhance the realism of your stories, and what role does research play in your writing process?

“… We’re all walking in and through history everywhere we go. Why not acknowledge what has been … with what could be … all within a storyline?”

A. As writers, we physically ground-truth every inch of the locations of our stories. This includes topography, transportation, services, buildings, distances, and any unique elements of the locale.

As an example in Cobra Pose, we travelled to Stradbroke Island, an island off the coast of Brisbane, Australia. We wanted to scope out an airfield there which becomes instrumental in the storyline.

Imagine us on the field with our tape measure and several cameras as we peer into hangers and check wind speeds. More than once, we have had to haul out our identification to let local authorities or curious passersby know that we are your ‘average mystery writer’ that has a keen desire for fresh realism.

And we do love history. We periodically include small historical facts that add to the atmosphere and depth of the story. Our readers tell us it helps ground the story to the locations.

After all, we’re all walking in and through history everywhere we go. Why not acknowledge what has been … with what could be … all within a storyline?

“We knew we wanted to be audiobook producers many years ago. We are delighted to a partnership with the internationally acclaimed Rupert Degas as our voice actor.”

Q: What’s next for Elaina and Ric in the Yoga Mat Mysteries series?

A: At the moment, we have three eBooks and audiobooks in the series: Dead Man’s Pose (with the locale of Sydney), Cobra Pose based out of Brisbane and surrounds, and Tree Pose, down in the deep darkness of Tasmania.

Buckle up! – We have the next four drafts on the firing line. Warrior Pose is next up, where we explore the South Island of New Zealand, and Half Moon Pose follows, where we check out France [which is] interspersed with Sydney. A dip into Melbourne and Alice Springs for book six and over to Greece for book seven.

The Yoga Mat Mysteries books and audiobooks are carefully crafted and fold in the richness of language, as well as the sound and arrangements of words. We knew we wanted to be audiobook producers many years ago. We are delighted to [have] a partnership with the internationally acclaimed Rupert Degas as our voice actor.

“We are not afraid of being different and breaking the rules … just like our characters.”

For us, anything can happen in our stories and usually does. We push boundaries – we think differently – we challenge the status quo.

We explore current themes, as well as timeless ideas. We are always seeking to entertain and delight the reader.

The reader/listener acts as a detective ununraveling the mystery. We weave our stories with the strands of adversity, evil, romance, love, adventure and braid the intricate threads into a golden fabric that we hope envelopes the reader like an amorous lover.

We are not afraid of being different and breaking the rules … just like our characters. ∎

View the book trailer for Dead Man’s Pose:


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• For the curious-minded, audiobooks can teach you a thing or two, from nature therapy to personal finance. It can even keep the little ones busy so you can steal some time back for yourself.


New to Audiobooks.com? Get your first book free, PLUS a bonus book from our VIP selection when you sign up for our one-month free trial. Digital audiobooks make audible stories come to life when you’re commuting, working out, cleaning, cooking, and more! Listening is easy with our top-rated free audiobook apps for iOS and Android, which let you download & listen to bestselling audiobooks on the go, wherever you are. Click here to get your free audiobooks!